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Amran Gowani's avatar

I avoid all this drama by writing low-brow, trashy, transparently commercial fiction.

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Lancelot Schaubert's avatar

It's almost as if genre readers have been intelligent all along and there's no such thing as "literary" fiction except a desperate clinging to some imagined caste. It's almost as if "literary" readers — the actual buyers of books — read both and only blush when someone tries to publicly shame them for reading "garbage." Frankly, I've often found better literature in the garbage than whatever artisanal culinary experience is being served up by the denisons of "literary."

Midsummer Night's Dream and Moby Dick are fantasy and they're read by "literary" and "low brow" readers alike, I meet these readers at spec fic conventions and MFA programs.

Jane Austin and Edith Wharton write romance, read by all sorts of readers.

The Road and A Canticle for Leibowitz are both apocalyptic novels, ready by all sorts.

I could go on and on, but I'm reminded of the interview The Onion did with Terry Pratchett back in 1995 that Patrick Rothfuss unearthed for us:

"O: You’re quite a writer. You’ve a gift for language, you’re a deft hand at plotting, and your books seem to have an enormous amount of attention to detail put into them. You’re so good you could write anything. Why write fantasy?

"Pratchett: I had a decent lunch, and I’m feeling quite amiable. That’s why you’re still alive. I think you’d have to explain to me why you’ve asked that question.

"O: It’s a rather ghettoized genre.

"P: This is true. I cannot speak for the US, where I merely sort of sell okay. But in the UK I think every book— I think I’ve done twenty in the series— since the fourth book, every one has been one the top ten national bestsellers, either as hardcover or paperback, and quite often as both. Twelve or thirteen have been number one. I’ve done six juveniles, all of those have nevertheless crossed over to the adult bestseller list. On one occasion I had the adult best seller, the paperback best-seller in a different title, and a third book on the juvenile bestseller list. Now tell me again that this is a ghettoized genre.

"O: It’s certainly regarded as less than serious fiction.

"P: (Sighs) Without a shadow of a doubt, the first fiction ever recounted was fantasy. Guys sitting around the campfire— Was it you who wrote the review? I thought I recognized it— Guys sitting around the campfire telling each other stories about the gods who made lightning, and stuff like that. They did not tell one another literary stories. They did not complain about difficulties of male menopause while being a junior lecturer on some midwestern college campus. Fantasy is without a shadow of a doubt the ur-literature, the spring from which all other literature has flown. Up to a few hundred years ago no one would have disagreed with this, because most stories were, in some sense, fantasy. Back in the middle ages, people wouldn’t have thought twice about bringing in Death as a character who would have a role to play in the story. Echoes of this can be seen in Pilgrim’s Progress, for example, which hark back to a much earlier type of storytelling. The epic of Gilgamesh is one of the earliest works of literature, and by the standard we would apply now— a big muscular guys with swords and certain godlike connections— That’s fantasy. The national literature of Finland, the Kalevala. Beowulf in England. I cannot pronounce Bahaghvad-Gita but the Indian one, you know what I mean. The national literature, the one that underpins everything else, is by the standards that we apply now, a work of fantasy.

"Now I don’t know what you’d consider the national literature of America, but if the words Moby Dick are inching their way towards this conversation, whatever else it was, it was also a work of fantasy. Fantasy is kind of a plasma in which other things can be carried. I don’t think this is a ghetto. This is, fantasy is, almost a sea in which other genres swim. Now it may be that there has developed in the last couple of hundred years a subset of fantasy which merely uses a different icongraphy, and that is, if you like, the serious literature, the Booker Prize contender. Fantasy can be serious literature. Fantasy has often been serious literature. You have to fairly dense to think that Gulliver’s Travels is only a story about a guy having a real fun time among big people and little people and horses and stuff like that. What the book was about was something else. Fantasy can carry quite a serious burden, and so can humor. So what you’re saying is, strip away the trolls and the dwarves and things and put everyone into modern dress, get them to agonize a bit, mention Virginia Woolf a few times, and there! Hey! I’ve got a serious novel. But you don’t actually have to do that.

"(Pauses) That was a bloody good answer, though I say it myself."

People forget that Steinbeck's first novel was a pirate fantasy and his second novel was a werewolf thriller. They forget that Hemingway was jilted by the spec fic magazines: he wasn't good enough to sell to the pulps.

They forget because they want to be seen as academic. They want to be seen as smart. They want to have honors and awards and the privilege that comes with prestige. They want the power connected to it. The pleasure of trading favors for being inside some sort of gnostic inner circle.

But these are all proximate goods. They are not beauty, truth, and goodness. They're irrelevant to what great books are actually trying to do.

These readers you're talking about (i.e. all readers) are incredibly intelligent and they don't have discriminating tastes in the sense of genre. What they have is discerning taste: a much better sense for bullshit than the average critic for two simple reasons (1) they're not worried about their own careers in literature, generally, (2) they're curious and joyful with the things they like and don't mind telling you what's good and what sucked.

In this way, plenty of genre writers believe it's their job to improve the reader. Plenty of literary writers attempt genre without having any knowledge of the field and truly believe, for instance, that they're the first one to invent a time traveling super soldier or a nonlinear narrative about a plague or what have you. If anything, there's an ignorance in the literary crowd of the foundational works of literature that isn't present in the genre crowd because, for whatever reason, American lit has been tidally locked around 20th century cynicism for the last century.

It's eating its own tail.

Don't believe me? Take a look at all of the Pulitzer Prize winners for fiction. Ask yourself: in recent years, how many of these are remakes or riffs on classic works of literature as opposed to new stories? Certainly that's allowed — there's something downright medieval in a good way about trying to get your version of, for instance, Arthur or Virgil right — but almost all of them are. The Road was Dante's Inferno. March was Allcot. Gilead was the retelling of the Abraham / Sara story. James was Mark Twain. Demon Copperhead was Dickens.

This isn't a bad thing, but its direct parallel is Hollywood remakes.

Ezra Klein is right here too: we have stopped looking forwards. All of us, that is, but the genre writers and the readers who truly do not care. They are HUNGRY for good, new stories. They always will be — this is why great screenplays always set the pace for blockbusters. I know a brilliant producer who lives in the Hamptons. She reads classics. She reads Game of Thrones. She reads Pulitzer Prize winners. She reads romance. She reads memoir. She doesn't care, she reads it all, and she's that kind of oldschool, blunt, smoker New York lady who will tell you exactly what she thinks and why: she has the literary pedigree to know it all and to deconstruct or exalt it equally. She does. She doesn't care. She's no respecter of awards or sales or whatever.

If the folks in this business stopped talking down to people like her (she — a very educated, wealthy, and powerful reader!), erased the completely arbitrary boundary line, and saw that readers don't care for the genre distinction at all, they would actually revive both sides of the publishing industry. Both sides would benefit because there aren't sides from the reader's perspective. There are merely "books."

That's hard, of course, because both political parties thrive on the arbitrary distinction between "coastal elite" and "rural ignorance." Both pride themselves on their side.

But neither paints the truth of things. As Emerson said, "The city is recruited from the country." We are interdependent. We are interpenetrated with one another. We are, in a way, consubstantial and always-already elite while always-already ignorant; always-already urban while always-already rural. The city eats rural food. The rural folk come to the city for baseball games. It's an endless cycle and it cuts right through literature.

Literature merely means "written works" as in "letter" or "letter of the law."

To be "literary" is anything related to the written word.

That includes all genres and includes all readers, most of whom read both.

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