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I remember staring up at a statue of John the Baptist in a cathedral once, and he had a scowl on his face, and he was pointing fiercely at the Jesus statue across the way, like, "What are you staring at? Don't look at me! Look at him!" And I thought a long time about the idea of a statue that didn't want you to look at it but to look somewhere else.

Girard's whole schtick is that all desire is mimetic. The only things we want are what we see other people want. We learn how to want through watching others' wanting. This is also how we learn art and how things like jokes work, what's "funny." (Something-something-Wittgenstein too)

I'm just a rando, but it seems like what you're doing with Great Books is a kind of pointing. Don't look at me--look at this! And it's also a kind of indirect teaching of love. "Look at me here. Pay attention. See how I love this? See how to love this? This is how it goes. This is how one does it." And maybe you have to use tricks (like connecting things to current events) to keep the reader's interest, but ultimately (my sense is) you want the reader to read the book you are talking about. And, as a reader, when you write about Henry James or Proust, it increases the likelihood I'm going to read it. (And when I do read it, increases the odds I will enjoy it.) But, at minimum, it increases my desire for the the thing you're desiring. And even when I've read it before, it brings that love back.

I agree that the Old Testament feels more like literature, while the New Testament is more like, well, a witness. It's a pointing. That's Paul's whole MO--trying to point away from himself, even while he's trying to assert authority. "Watch me. This is how you do it."

All that to say, I think you should keep writing about your experiences reading Great Books because it is, in fact, doing something.

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I've been on a weird reading kick for the last week--a long, dense history of Byzantium and Peter Heather's new history of Christianity, which is the deepest dive into the early institutional history of Christianity that I've taken in my life. And the thing is that on one hand the debates, if we can call them that considering the violence and intensity of them, within Christianity of the 3rd-5th centuries, is only barely scriptural and almost not at all exegetical. The Gospel is sitting right in front of them, the paint only just drying on it, and they're not really reading it because their debate about the nature of Christ and God is philosophical and shaped in many ways more by non-textual, received bodies of philosophical thought that had been circulating in antiquity for some time. Their debate is also temporal--it's about command over institutions, resources, political authority; it's as much about Alexandria v. Rome v. Constantinople v. Antioch v. Athens as it is "let's read the Sermon on the Mount again".

What's I wonder now is that I'm not sure the New Testament and the Gospels in particular mattered as a great book in the sense of something to read and savor and think about for its literary qualities, for its expressiveness, for the depth of its thought, until Protestantism or at least until humanism--until there was an open-endedness in the thought that reading it as a book could produce not just doctrine but interpretation and inspiration. I'm sure there are exceptions in medieval thought that I don't know about and it might be that the thinness of my knowledge of the early Church is also leading me astray on this point as well.

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