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Very interesting post. But I found your description of Judaism unrecognizable. (Another commentator said this about both Judaism and Buddhism, but I don't know enough about the latter to comment.) To explain why, let me take it bit by bit. I should say that, for all that our numbers are small (compared to, say, Hindus), Jews are famously quarrelsome—"two Jews, three opinions" goes the old Jewish joke—so I am sure you could dig up *someone* who would disagree with me about one point or another. But I feel confident that what I am saying is a very, very strong majority view.

"Yeah, some rabbis will supervise a conversion to Judaism"

It is (as I said) *possible* that there are some exceptions, but as far as I know, *every* Rabbi will supervise a conversion. Some might not have time or whatever, but *everyone* thinks its an important in central practice. It is true that Jews don't seek converts the way Christians and Muslims do; if someone comes to a rabbi to convert he (or she) is supposed to discourage them three times. But *if* they come back, you accept. (I don't know if most rabbis actually discourage people or not.) Not all rabbis will accept *other* rabbis conversions, especially the orthodox towards the non-orthodox. But this sentence implies a hesitation which is absolutely unwarranted.

"do you then become one of YHWH's chosen people? Are you actually included in his covenant?"

Yes, without any question or doubt. Converts are *full Jews*. It's forbidden to mention someone's conversion status lest they feel uncomfortable. The Jewish midrash (roughly, myth) that all Jews stood at Sinai and accepted the covenant includes converts as well. Jewish tradition holds that king David is descended from a convert (Ruth)——and thus that the messiah (a who is supposed to be a descendent of David) will be too. So yes: converts are fully part of the covenant, just as much as anyone born Jewish.

"And if you are, do you even want to be? Like do you actually want to be in a religion where you think you're chosen and set aside, and other people are sort of ancillary?"

Judaism does not hold that other people are ancillary in any sense. Again, yes, you can probably find the odd sentence here and there from some rabbi saying offensive things (usually, I would point out, due to rather horrific circumstances) but the overall trend of the religion is overwhelming.. Exactly what "chosenness" means is complex, but one central part of it is that through the Jews God will bless *all* nations. He says this to Abraham, the first Jew, in multiple ways, from the first time God speaks to him ("through you all families of the Earth shall be blessed", Genesis 12:03) to almost the end ("through your children all the nations of the Earth shall be blessed", Genesis 22:18). In the Talmud it says that the righteous of every nation has a share in the world to come, and at one point uses the image that all people shall point from different directions saying "this is my God". And so on. What you said is simply false (and is most common ly found in anti-Jewish propaganda, not that I am saying you meant it badly, but that could be where you heard it).

"And even if that's okay with you, then do you want your offspring subjected to the punishments YHWH periodically metes out against the Jews?!?"

This is at least slightly closer to right: one of the questions that the Talmud says to use to scare off potential converts (if memory serves, it's been a while) is something like "Don't you know that Jews are despised everywhere? Is that what you want?" But note it's the non-Jews, not God, that is the threat, (And, given Jewish history, seeing that threat is not unrealistic). It's true the bible portrays God as punishing Jews, but of course there is the opposite too, and in general, there is held to be good reason to be Jewish, should someone want to.

"As a tradition, Judaism is very old and impressive and worthy of respect, but there's just something very unappealing about it as a belief system. And you know what? That's fine. It's not meant for me!"

As for the notion it's unappealing, "de gustibus non disputandum est". But I will say this: while Judaism may be more of a belief system than Hinduism (I don't know enough about the latter to say) it is much less one than either Islam or Christianity. What you said of Hinduism is actually true of Judiasm: it's a *practice*. An atheist religious Christian seems like a contradiction in terms, but I have met atheist religious Jews, and far more agnostic ones. It's about practice. This doesn't mean, as you say it does in Hinduism, that people can't join: the practices are very learnable and (actualliy) have a lot of good points as well as plenty of bad ones. But what i would say to anyone who says it's an *unappealing* belief system (rather than, say, false, which is another issue), is that you can't really judge it until you've lived it, or at any rate experienced it. (I'm sure you could find someone to host you for a shabbat if you're curious.)

Anyway, that's one Jew's view (one not very observant, non-beliving Jew who nevertheless is clearly Jewish and loves Jewish texts and traditions). What you said really sounds like something said out of ignorance. To say I have only scratched the surface here is to wildly understate the matter. But that's my reaction.

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Aron Blue's avatar

Really enjoying these essays/stories about Hinduism. Too many people think that all other religions are just Christian with different gods on the top--like corporations with different CEOs.

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