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arrow63's avatar

Perfect timing, I just finished Leviathan yesterday! I hadn't read it for at least a decade and a lot of thoughts I had from my last reading didn't square with what is usually said about it eg when something is referred to as Hobbesian. Anyway, I'm part of the 1% of the country that is a strong monarchist, so I naturally find his argument compelling. I mean that part where he argues about the superiority of monarchy over other forms of government. I think that's self evident (most people don't) so I don't get much out of that. But the first part, where he argues about why everyone should want to form a commonwealth and give up their independence in the state of nature, is really interesting. I'm not sure I agree with that, but I can see why he believes that people under a sovereign (monarch or democracy, doesn't matter) actually have more liberty than those who are not.

And when you were talking about the weirdest takeaways from the book, my favorite is when he argues that personal property that can't be physically divided should be awarded to people in a lottery. He goes from big picture thoughts on government to micromanaging in a flash!

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Christopher Gosz's avatar

Great piece, really enjoyed it. There was maybe one little sliver I disagreed with: “The essence of a belief is that you think it should govern the world and govern how people live.” I don’t disagree that this is indeed how many people think about their beliefs, I’ve just never understood why this isn’t questioned more. I often say that believing in things is fine as long as the believer knows they are believing (ie, they know they don’t know for sure, otherwise it would be knowledge, not belief). What I love about liberalism is that it allows people to keep their private beliefs while drawing a hard line between belief and fact.

In any case, thanks for writing about interesting stuff!

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